In this conversation, Joe Daly and Rob Martin from the FinOps Foundation discuss the latest developments in the FinOps space. They talk about the evolution of FinOps practices, the growth of the FinOps community, and the importance of the Focus project, which aims to standardize billing data from different cloud providers. They also discuss the adoption of FinOps practices by SaaS companies and the future of the FinOps space. The conversation covers the updates and changes in the FinOps framework, including the addition of allied personas and the simplification of domains and capabilities. It also discusses the upcoming Finops-X conference and the value it provides for attendees, including deep and concrete content, networking opportunities, and career advancement. The conversation concludes with a mention of the upcoming Finops-X Europe & US conferences in Barcelona & San Diego.